I felt, even years back, I could benefit from a psychoanalysis. This was not exactly a rational wish. Of course and I had both attraction, resistance and even a little embarrassment at the thought of being psychoanalyzed at all, in any form modern cognitive in a chair, or on grandfather Freud’s couch. In fact, I never was able to justify the seeking any professional help. I imagined I would be laughed at for admitting the only dumb reason I had to offer was that I wanted to explore me. This desire for analysis was not new with me, it had formed over the years, mainly from the movie versions of psychotherapists. I understood there nearly everything was
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May 1, 2009
Dreameryv2
May 1 2009
In my previous efforts at Self-analysis during the Dr. Phil ‘Self Matters‘ book use I had made a list of my strengths and weaknesses. How embarrassed I am now when I look over all the lists I made then. Wow! was I kidding myself! I had entered that I had had no baggage from my childhood, that my relations to my family as totally exemplary (I had forgot to ask my mother about this point-which I won’t go into in public.) (I had bragged to myself and the image of Dr. Phil which redefines by watching his show regularly -moved like a mirage just ahead of me as I worked my way through the inventories there. It was a good thing I saved my answers, and now have them to face. Seeing now where my self-analysis is taking me. How could I have so rewritten the actual facts of my life, even bragged my compulsive neurotic quirks were to be envied by the world.
What brought this into focus was a major disruption in my family constellation caused by my (opps our) daughter leaving home with the help of her boy friend. And with a polarization within my family resulting, one where my parents and my usually supportive husband appear to object to such things as dragging her home bodily. They tell me to shut up, leave the kids alone, and never mind any talk of reaction formation. I guess they are being sensible and I am not. (Note this reluctance to accept their position.) Needless to say, this disrupts my systematic self-analysis procedures to the point I can not think of anything else. How could I have not seen this coming? How could my own parents and my husband view it so differently than I? (This and worse runs through my mind over and over).
Should I discontinue my self-analysis procedures? Is there anything to be gained while I am so upset? |
| On the whole, there is no need to worry too much about outside interferences. You are realizing some aspects of your somewhat idealized view of yourself and not being totally realistic. Certainly give yourself t ime to cool off, try to see your daughter view, as well as the views of others in your family In most cases when decisive outside events deflect the course of analysis it is only for a short while. Unproductive sessions may happen, yet at some point you will get back to the deeperr personal problems, if only you stick to the spirit of the analytic process. Since most experiences can elicit a number of different responses, you can come to see a side of yourself that connects closest to the problem at hand. Hopefuly you will touch deeper content and thereby be able to retrieve more threads to follow, some of which may be painful or which you would perfer to abandon or keep repressed. If you put off a few sessions it does not matter. It is useful to keep writing down your dreams durring any breach of your contract with yourself to self-analyze. Thus when you restart you have many new starting points. Interrupting your elf-analysis should be recognized as being a resistance and reviwed questoned such as “What isthe nature of my resistance?
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March 12, 2009

March 12, 2009
In a comment intended for me, [DREAMERYV2] from a reader who asks: HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO L. RON HUBBARD’S BOOK
“SELF ANALYSIS”? (This with the suggestion that this might be the right thing for me.)
THANK YOU READER, for your concern, as matter of fact I bought the hard cover $45.00 book and found it has a lot to recommend it. The writing style was smooth and I was introduced to the more complex concepts without going beyond my personal understanding level. I was surprised to discover that just like Dr. Phil McGraw, he introduces you to yourself via the use of personal inventories. The first of which a very large intimidating table, aimed at locating yourself in it. What was, as it seemed to me, to be on a life survival continuum. Certainly this is a unique way of getting a handle on where you are in life. The next several inventories works by questioning yourself from a list of questions. The questions do not resemble those cognitive grounded ones as found in Dr. Phil’s book, instead they appear to me, as aimed at pushing your buttons intuitively. A truly remarkable accomplishment, one that would be useful for many like myself. However this was as far as I went.
Hubbard, replaces the unconscious as a mind affecting force with ‘engrams’ which are formed when an individual is in an unconscious state or condition. Differently, Dr. Phil argues for finding for yourself an authentic self. That also sounds good to me, however he hardly mentions the unconscious at all and asks you review all that formed you over time, by use of his cris crossing inventories.
I did mention I had aberrations, did I not? The first interference of going further was the awareness that to really understand my position on the Hubbard Chart, I would have to attend introductory Scientology Church lectures. The second interference was that to trace back to source my quirks, distortions, aberrations scientifically and effectively I would have to undergo a Dianetic audit with a certified Dianetic auditor. Third interference is my concern of embracing a new religion as the end result. I have nothing against others going the total immersion route. For now, I am happy to borrow bits and pieces from L. Ron Hubbard’s book and Dr, Phil that are useful to me, for my self-analysis without becoming a convert to anything. Am I totally aberrant in taking this position?
I believe there are many ways to self-analyze, some methods may for one person and not for another.
IS THERE ANY GOOD EXCUSE NOT TO TRY?
Good Luck to any who would self-analyze!
–Dreameryv2
January 9, 2009
Avatar of Chirobut the scholar, At Bottom: Icon of Comic Chirobut, both aim at transmitting some depth level insights. It may be confusing as to which one is speaking to you.
It does not really matter- Just go with the flow.
This hosted Blog evolved from several free Blogs began 2005, some of which are still findable on search. The first efforts were to disseminate the shunned teachings of Hungarian Psychiatrist, Leopold Szondi. This proved to be very didactic and of little practical use except for a few still using the more or less depreciated projective test, that Szondi invented- ‘The Szondi Test’. The theoretical assumption that normal was but a balanced mixture of eight fundamental psychiatric conditions was a hard sell to others.
A second generation of Blogs, turned to promoting genic type based ’self-analysis’ on terms, suggesting you can see these very same basic psychiatric types (as Szondi defined them) in yourself. [Still important.]
If only you learn to use the depth level free association process borrowed (with apology) largely from Psychoanalyst, Karen Horney. This was with some modernizations added. Particularly useful in this respect was her concept of a Basic Anxiety existing in everyone.
I wished to refresh and expose persons to a new (or at least revised) knowledge of
themselfs by introducing them to the (more or less) forbidden and shunned teachings of Leopold (Lipot) Szondi-
Who stated, ‘normal’ is but a balanced mixture of eight basis psychiatric conditions. Therefor you cannot be fully psychoanalyzed unless you explore your own (Szondi claimed) three pools of the unconscious.
1. The personal/repressed, as described by S. Freud,
2. The collective/ archetypal of C. Jung and
3. The ancestral/psychiatric as described by L. Szondi.
Also to introduce you to the argument that you, with a minimum of up- learning, that can and should permit you (if not seriously mind sick) to psychoanalyze yourself. In addition, that such a process should be life long.
That the measuring of the value of any mind based therapy process by symptom removing alone is a false concept that has misled the professional psychology studies for the last one hundred years.
Don’t conclude that Chirobut limits himself to these three metaphors of the unconscious. He does not. He reaches to ‘best fit’ answers wherever they are to be found. Aristotle, Eastern religions, Melanie Klein, Jacques Lacan, Neuroscience and the Peanut’s Comic Strip are fair game.
Mixed into all this tongue in cheek characterizations are some things, that it is hoped will provoke you to some depth level thinking. It might encourage you to self-analyze.
Do not forget this is not me or the site practicing psychotherapy in any definitive form. Or is any claim of myself being a mental health professional is being implied or claimed. Also those needing professional help are encouraged to do so.
Importantly, while some humor and fictionalizations are used, it is to make a points mind concept useful for the reader, who may accept or reject them as he wishs. Further your editor’s credentials are only those of retired chiropractic doctor still looking for answers. Please join me in discusing such answers.
–Chirobut
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September 12, 2008
[FORBIDDEN TEACHINGS]
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Needs are what a drive represents,In the Szondi teachings Needs are the same as Drives
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THE SZONDI NEEDS
In Szondi’s view each Factor, modeled after eight psychiatric condition
types, has in its nature an inherent drive that seeks satisfaction. Each
also has a basic need, belonging to the nature of its Factor type.
1. Need for personal affection, (varies from simple friendly impulses
to the Eroto-manias and cravings of love. Associates generally with
tenderness and feminine modes of thinking.
2. Need for activity, assertion, (varies from enjoyment of starting the
day to mental and physical activities to hardness and actual events
tinged with sadism. Associates with hardness and masculine modes of
thinking.
3. Need for Control of Emotions. (Varies in amounts of control and
related ethical restrains, from reasonable practical to moments over
driven to control or under-controlled and emotional nature
taking control. Here tendencies to being a Good ‘Abel’ or polar to the
Envious hateful ‘Cain’ exist, as depending on the compromises available.
4. Need to show one self, be admired and express ( varies from shyness, tactful showing desire for attention to strong acts or desires on the borders of exhibitionism.
5. Need to include in the mind-image index certain signifiers of ‘what and
who I believe I am’. This varies from a usable and adaptive self-space
to Narcissistic isolations where the self is far more important than others.
6. Need to participate, to find mental and emotional satisfying ways of
unfolding ones needs, strivings, and inclinations. (varies from satisfactory balanced rational and effective modes of adjustment that can in some become over rationalistic or turn to projected forms of blaming of others or even as to move one to the borders of paranoia.)
7. Need for ‘Objects’ with bonding Power (Here objects means those persons
or things- even cherished mental conceptions that when the are lost to
a person it is painful or depressing. These can be small things, big
things, money things or minor or major loved persons. Mood depressive is part of its nature.
8. Need to gain dependency satisfaction, interwoven with the ‘oral world’ is otomisms and pessimism depending on oits performance. There are happy manics. and unhappy manics, the later often turning agaist the frustrating world as when any such deep bonding is threatened with ending.
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THE BASIC PSYCHIATRIC CONDITIONS ARE ALSO JUST EXAGERATED NEEDS THAT EVERY PERSON HAS. We will cross over this teaching in many connections.
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August 27, 2008

The like or dislike, of each class of psychiatric patient’s type facial photo, (somewhat like the earler developed Rorschach ink blot test, ) refects a test subject’s drive-needs as they are at that moment.
like is [+]
dislike is [-]
split choice is ambivalent [±]
no choice is avoidant or null [0]
August 17, 2008
The ‘neurotic needs’ are classified into three broad categories based on how one relates “oneself to others”.
Dr. Horney sets the term ‘Neurotic’ on a continuum of degrees of those found in almost everyone, the more or less normal, thorough various transitions of degree to those unquestionably neurotic.
Therefore, some caution should be used in calling all minor maladjustment and symptoms ‘neurotic’ even if they have a common cause or relation.
The term neurosis or neurotic is used without this being a value judgment.
In our assessment of the purpose and technique Of Self-Analysis this takes on a similar meaning when applied to differs from work with a therapist, in that it does not have a sharply defined focus, or even a goal of a particular symptom change or any limitation of time.
This does not mean it has no goals or purpose, only it shifts the obligation of exploring your whole personality to reveal a broader goals, those of changing your core self, in order to build a better life. This can be combined with those other theapies that do not demand overiding your present beilf system with a ready made one that must be totally accepted. That works for some but is not self-analysis.
The purpose in self-analysis is to open the way to self-understanding. Take Willful control and change those aspects of your self indentifiable as neurotic, and self defeating or ones that put you in conflict with others your family or society. It is intended to be used by your self to explain yourself and to offer a way to come to grips with whatever your conlicts or problelms appear to to connect to. IN offering this open view point it is to be understtod you are the one to carry it out. Others are not able to change you inside and what support they can provide offer is not going remove any neurotic suffering you have woven into your personality.
going offer better or alternative ways to understand life events in respect to how you handle them.
And also extend this better understanding to your personal relations with others. The final step to understand others better is same as the final steo to know yourself. Understanding is always ongoing and changing and not a finished product.
The Core — ‘Basic self-others Directional Need System, ‘Every Human has, at times impulses to move himself in directions that could carry beyond useful coping to meanings ‘Neurotic.’ or reactions over-determined and often carring with it some feature not appripriate or useful.
Core is a function that has the power to move or reset how a person positions or relates oneself to others.
towards others.
away from others.
against others.
against self.
Each ‘movement event’ has a coping function. They assert in one sequence or another as a person probes for the best fit for the situation. Best fit not always the long-term best selection. As evidenced in repetition of thinking, feelings and behaviors, not in the best interest of the person. The cultivated recognition of what certain events do to the self-other position. This is one of several keys to uncovering and understanding what goes wrong or right in the adaptive, adjusting, coping paths to our actual behaviors. Events potentially leading to a perception of failed therapy. This partly explains and cautions you to the fact just knowing things do not always result in corrected behaviors.
Important is that the practice of the perception such self-other effects can serve as flags to warn you what a particular event or interaction has connected to thing ‘neurotic’ in us, wither we care to admit it or not. Detecting these ‘movement powers’ within own selves will only happen if one looks for them. Logically they are part of the minimal theoretic you need to analyze yourself. In a therapist conducted analysis this responsibility is shifted to the therapist, who job is to help you find and connects such things and then by his own method, and terms offer insight, new scripts, re-learning as to be of benefit for you. What he calls these equivalents it is not the point, it that recognition demands changes. Changes meet with resistances. Any significant resistance, invariability connects to or crosses over into or controls, the some aspect of the self-other core nature, to others, from others, against self,
There is no quick and easy way to identify these. They of course become recognizable when they recur over time show intensity or self-destructive results. Why an over time systematic self-analysis (just as in a therapist conducted one) by their recurrence , their compulsive, inhibiting powers or acting out.
Often associated with the shifting of self-other positioning shifting negatively are aware feelings, that something undesired, painful (in the psychological sense) vaguely discomfort, uneasiness, irritation, distrust. Most also carry some of feeling of hostility to others, to self, in some cases both alternating rapidly. This is not a command for you to have such feelings, it is as guide for you to recognize them when you see them.
does to us in those event we precieve as neurotic in ourselves
Such functional events are only called ‘neurotic’ when they move a person to dysfunctional or maladaptive modes of relationship with others. Which then are such that internalization then causes an overshooting of its purpose, failed satisfaction or self-security goals. As copeing mecanisms fail as or cause distorted relationships to others. As Anxiety appears and increases it enters awarenenss by causing mood change, hostility or as last resort primitive fight or flight reactions.
1] toward others.
These ‘toward others’ as a neurotic determined need, are those that cause an individuals to excessively seek affirmation and acceptance from others and are motivators behind dependant clinging. As a function, it seeks out the finding f approval and love. Human relations normal and human relations ‘neurotic’ revolve about satisfying this need and the avoiding the unpleasant results when it fails.
2.] away from others
Needs neurotic set, that move you away from others.
These neurotic needs carry narcissistic connections and reactions to the hopeless, loveless and empty object world. Hostility and antisocial behavior are justified emotionally.
These individuals are described as cold, indifferent, aloof, and express criticism and hostility easily.
3.] against others
Needs neurotic set that move you against others.
These neurotic needs (or drives) result in basic hostility asserting in a ready to fight back mode. They often have a low threshold for frustration. The mode of hostility and the need to control other people move together. These individuals are described as difficult, domineering, and unkind. This is as if the individual is living out in the present the infantile core of Basic Hostility and now finds in the adult life opportunities to express anger and hostility. Some maintain a surface, logical and polished and can justify any excesses glibly.
4.] → against self
Self sabotage, self defeating, self hatred are all common human trends, that most would argree are Neurotic. A person often from family tradition and cultural pressue deny any such things being in himself, frequently an analysis even a superficial one will bring such things into the analytic content as it proceeds, and must be deal with just as honestly as any other content. Sometimes such denied or rejected content will intrude into ones dreams. Such dreams often seem crazy and meaningless at first attempts at relating to them leads to nowhere. For this reason, it is useful to write dreams down and associate to the dream content much later, weeks or months when something related content or new dreams brings them to mind and offers new meaning.
Well-adjusted individuals have balanced need and movement power settings.
Well-adjusted individuals mix balanced, the others/self relations, causing little anxiety, is effective for coping. Under sufficient stress, the coping process may fail and replacement modes of coping are more primitive, automatic and defensive then assert.
Well-adjusted individuals, thus not mind sick or severely neurotic, utilize all three of these strategies, but can correctly shift focus as to where and how to relate themselves, depending on what they perceive to be the actual situation, thus correctly.
What then makes these inclinations or coping strategies neurotic?
According to Horney, it is the overuse of one or more of these self-others interpersonal modes. Neurotic people tend to utilize excessively two or more of these ways of coping, at the same time that reinforces or exaggerates results, as to end up in creating conflict, turmoil, and confusion.
And at the same time producing certain behavioral dysfunctions, symptoms or acting out behaviors. Which are also the things that motivate persons to seek help.
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