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November 20, 2009

flash card: revisionist psychology.

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flash card: revisionist psychology.

Self-Analysis (The Practice) is not the fulfillment of grandiose wishes. It will not make you what you cannot be. It might if you make the passage correctly, make you a better human. It should reduce the consequences of neurosis in your life, and assist your understanding of others.

Don’t try to remember this. It will stick in your mind relative to what it means to you.

November 19, 2009

Crybabystill, November 2009 Three Dreams and How I Analyze.

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Dream #1.

My phone at the house rang and a feminine voice asked me

What the weather in Italy was like for that day.

I pretended I might have that information [and [by this, I forced her into a probe and in doing to maybe reveal what she really wanted to know and also who she really was,] When finally the conversation stalled, I told her- “I didn’t know.”

Dream #2.

A big fat man with thinning hair and a hostile look on his face was standing in my office- looking at me. It was something about his beneficiary in Italy being denied access to his family home and financial accounts. It was that I, in some work capacity had issued him the wrong document needed to permit this person to transfer his funds located there.

I protest saying, I am not permitted to issue, a power of attorney here or in Italy, as I am not an attorney. He grew closer and it appeared as if he was about to hit me. He said he knew better and that I had better get with it or else.

The correct slip he said, was a blue one and not the pink one that I had mistakenly given him (I could tell by the snarling way he said ‘mistakenly’ that he believed I had done this to him maliciously).

My supervisor on hearing the commotion, entered the room to the side of the man and after looking at the document in question asked the man to go with him to a higher ranked office that could issue such a document.

He and the man left and I feared for the safety of my supervisor and I feared the man would return.

Dream #3.

Later, when it seems I am free from this dream and comfortably sleeping. I opened my eyes and I saw a man in a plaid sports shirt falling right on top of me. I yelled “Oh!” out loud and gathered myself together and realized it was not a real event.



Comment:

My Rosicrucian exposure, is from long ago and at a time my life that was one in upheaval. Today, I think what I learned then, is now diluted and mixed with all kinds of pop psychology impressions (as well some real life experiences- good and bad) acquired since. I do not wish to imply my self-concocted use or misuse of their philosophic views to be taken as authentic,
yet it is my starting point. I have a great respect for their teachings and the personal kindness they showed me when I needed it most.


I need to mention I am not qualified to advise others,
as well a little wacky when it comes to evaluating my own personal life details. Nevertheless, that is me, and where I find my starting points for dream alanysis and the resulting self-analysis begins by looking for hints of a cosmic if not devine power with a message somehow arriving from outside of my self, advising, nidging me, trying to move me to being a better person, a more insightful person and one helpful to others and not totally self-centered. or self-delusional. The good intentions, I hope, are enough to cause others to overlook the imperfections and misdirection connected with my input here. I try to take a view that has room for being open to other persons seeing my dream world different than I do.

I cannot tell myself if such desires changes in any way my dream
content or their value to me.


Although in my dream events here are three separate dream episodes. I believe they are connected at some level just out of reach of my ability to connect them.

This causes me to [1] read them over and then locate the base elements and test each of them agaimst my real life. Looking in particular for its message type elements [2] Then subject, piece by piece, each element or item in the dream to a kind of loose thinking somewhat in the manner of Freudian free association. I intentionally shut off any thread of association too repetitious, ugly, hateful or self-demeaning. This has something to do with my coping ability in relation to negative thoughts more than any rejection of free association as a analytic tool. [3] My coping ability also is key to my similar automatic shut-off of memory search, the next process. I break off searching for the past whenever it turns into a guilt trip, or a muck-raking of childhood parental conflicts. I accept that these these things shaped me and that in time I can reduce them to ordinary
memories and not sore spots. [5] I tell myself that my unconscious will do justice in respect to that which is significant, when and if, it sees that I can deal with it. (Not very scientific but not unpleasant either. And I look forward to welcoming my new dreams as they arrive.

Here, fragmented, are my notes I jotted down- I don’t normally write down anything but the manifest dream content in my dream book.

My not keeping written interpretations and associations has its roots in my belief when any element has been worked through you should be able to forget it and not be haunted by it.

Example my procedures:

Dream 1

The unidentified feminine voice - Asking about the weather in Italy?
Some associations
Voice= My alter ego, my conscience, my mother, the bitch at work who seems out to sabotage me.

Weather=  Sunny Italy- Tempests-Metaphor for moods. Weather we-at-her= hostile-feminine -tempestuous-intimacy problems (mine and or others).
My playing that I might know= a trick to get her [ego-super-ego or whatever] to reveal what she is really after?= vague fears/ s/he= who?/why?/what? Motive? /(various thoughts
not written down 3-4 minutes and I shut them off and move to the next dream. noting that it also connects to Italy)

Italy=sunny happy place [hidden Mafia elements=gangster=bad men-men= mostly-some women-danger to me-to others-recent local crime news-etc.

Color slip wrong/not useable for recipient/=good or bad intentions gone wrong-denial of responsibility for error- (one of my basic traits)=shift to others law-lawyers-dissimilarity of colors-excuses (I am indeed, a clever excuse maker)

Supervisor responds =’the other’ who takes away fear and handles the problems to big for me to handle. (My missed father imago in childhood)

He takes the hostile angry man away from me and to a office with higher authority=wish fulfilled at the cost of shifting danger to him-my objects of attachment and love=up to mother-husband and-even god-etc.= -important images periled when I shift responsibility for things- I should be able to manage myself-the irrationality and the physicalitywith which this man confronted me= paralyzed ability to handle some negative
things-or do I just over react?-In this dream I don’t think so-I am saved just before bad things happen (has been true in some but not all cases for me in past) -confrontations= I can’t depend on such interventions to save myself or keep me stable-or to control others (Issues I know I have)
hostile intentions=( thing occasional a problem for me.)At this point I feel I have turned up some new ground (my preferred metaphor) and move on to the third dream which is semi-hallucinatory and fear toned.

My first inclination is to reject this dream as not real-or
even analyzable and at the same time I recall how real it seemed at its moment of occurrence. It was real, lucid, clear and frightening. The plaid sport’s shirt seemed to anchored it as visible proof of its reality. I feel this dream’s nightmarish quality gives it more significance than the other two ‘ordinary type’ dreams. I found it however very difficult to perform the same association process on it that I do with the ordinary dreams.

Element research:
Man =dangerous or threatening// falls on me=sexual threats-real ones?/imagined ones?/
Plaid Shirt= scotch clan=scotch whiskey-drunk men= predators/molesters/

I then turn to past memory exploring for evidence that this could be a flash back to some bad experience that had come back to haunt me. Now I know very well, I have had perhaps, hundreds of nightmares, beginning in early childhood. These had all kinds of fear causing boogey men, creepy creatures, pirates and other disturbing images as the invention of a child’s over sensitive nervious system. And maybe one not being able to control the development of its image world.

My memory search did touch on some foggy memories of my early confusions about sex, babies and adult life. But no hints supporting the occurrence of actual sexual things, except
my own self explorations and pleasure pain experiences, soiling
embarrassments, enemas experienced with apprehension and peculiar body sensations.

Nothing found supporting the occurrence of any actual man doing any sexual thing with me. I am never fully satisfied with my dream analysis, and I look forward to the next one. I believe I get some fulfillment, self-correction and self-healing from this practice.

Crybabystill. I know I blabbered on too much!

Crybabystill (JoAnn)

November 19, 2009

Three Dreams:

A Voice, Angry Man, Nightmare.

I know I have taxed your attention by trying clumsily to show how I do
my dream analysis and to what degree I use or abuse the process to
self-analyze. If you wish to take me to task over my limitations and
mistakes, feel free to do so. Just put “Angry Man Dream” in
the subject space and e-mail me at fateanalysisguy@gmail.com.

I’d love to hear from you.

-Crybabystill.

JoAnn,

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November 13, 2009

Dreameryv2 November 13, 2009 Three dreams: Winery -Body on the 6th floor. Hosiery mismatch.

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November 13, 2009

Three Dreams: Winery, Body on the 6th floo, Hosiery mismatch.

Dream 1 Dream 1 We {Mom and I} were in France I was taking mom through a winery- the floor was strangely different than was expected. We were walking on wine bottles and it was a round building with no walls and benches in a circle around the edge, as is found at a band concert building. We saw some people there. One girl [said she] used to live here in this region -and that she said she knew my sister [I automatic think that’s false as I never had seen her or those present here before. There was a lot of talk about clothes, leotards especially, as most of gals here had them on. Dream 2 -Several nights later. It was Sunday but my husband and I was Christmas shopping, We took an elevator up to the 6th floor (as directed by a clerk) to find a rest rooms and all we found were offices. There was a body lying on a table. The head was almost on the floor because the legs of the table under the head were gone. That end of body was also in a little cabinet. At first glance we thought the man was dead. However on further examination, it was clear the man wasn’t dead, but that he had tried to commit suicide. There was more to this dream but I fail to remember it. The part could be, that somehow because we were on the scene, we might be mistakenly be held as responsible, when the authorities arrive. Dream 3 I was walking down a street with a girl friend. The sun was shinning and we had been shopping. When I looked down I saw I had on, a not matching pair of hose. One had seams and a ugly run, the other was seamless but run free. I felt very embarrassed. This dream changed to the previous happening at the department store, I think. Comment: I read through 1, 2, 3 to get a feel where my dream is taking me, in the first dream I am as an adult. now doing things for my Mom which she used for me, In France, far away from my current home. I notice neither my husband or father are part of the dream, nor any obviously male images were there, except very background. I can’t recall if there were actually some as they were also in leotards, making gender identification difficult. The winery’s round structure resembled a band stand arraignment, this may be a reference to my family’s strong identification with country and western music. The strange floor of wine bottles may refer to the many years of my childhood and teen years, where all the adults, every Saturday night got drunk without apparent shame or regret, made music, sang, danced and sometimes quarreled. Of course, I miss that in my life now, but I have other satisfactions. I also over time, saw the sad endings, many of my family and their circle, came to. The girl in the leotard trying to pass herself off a intimate of my sister has some actual connections, where on more than one occasion someone has used a ploy like that to try to achieve intimacy for social or business advantage. When that happens, I feel myself moving away from them and grow aloof, but I pretend to accept what they say. I even may be a little too touchy about being manipulated and controlled by others. I try to explore my own history relative to my own controlling and manipulating, I do recall, one or two related instances that, I am forced to admit where I was unfairly suspicious of other’s motives. I note that I recalled after dream 3, that it somehow was the lead to the events of the suicidal man on the curious legless table, somehow also cabinet enclosed. Have I some suicidal thoughts?- Yes and No. Yes, I am aware of such a possibility, but see it a silly fantasy of a better afterlife or of a final escape from unbearable pain, mental or physical. As far as I can recall, even in my darkest moments I reject any such thoughts. O.K., in the dream, is this a symbol disguised for a death wishes against some other? I am Christmas shopping with my husband, could there be a connection or could it reach back to my father, mother, sister, uncles, and cousins? I really don’t know, I will wait and see what my unconscious serves up next. The mismatched stockings, the embarrassment, being with a girl friend and an imagined public? Well this stocking embarrassment, has actually happened a couple times, although I am a compulsive rechecked of what attire I put on before heading outside. Symbolically it could mean that despite my self-image concern and repetitious checking the flaws will at some point in time show. HUM.

Further Comment:
I got occupied with other things and did not post this on schedule. It seems a lesson in dream analysis resulted. As I finally readied the post for publication, it occurred to me I had totally missed the dark side of the about shopping before Christmas. It seems so long ago, but oh how awful it was. This may have some present connections, but the past one was traumatic when it happened. It was early in our marriage, my husband and I set out to do the Christmas shopping, which started out smoothly just as it should for two people happily in love. We made purchases and checked off the list of potential recipients, until we got to my husband’s mother. Being new to the position of daughter-in-law I felt an urgent desire to make sure that the gift would be special and would be one cherished by her. I felt I had a good grasp on what the mother of husband would appreciate, more or less on the basis of my experience with own mother and two grandmothers. My husband was thoroughly negative and surly about every suggestion I made, his objections centered on; she wouldn’t like this or that in clothing styles, and later, that she didn’t care for any thing for the kitchen or garden. Finally after much delay, in the home decor section we agreed on a couch throw, it was one of generous size and a classical design that would add cheerfulness to her home atmosphere without any clash of style or color. I pointed out to Bill its artistic qualities; the quality of the workmanship. And, if we were not going to follow my other intuitions, this would be a good choice, although a bit more pricey than my other suggestions had been. He then offered new objections, such as it might not match her taste in design, the color scheme, it might be too big, and it was too expensive. After some more of this grumbling and as he had no other better ideas, we made the purchase and I took the package and believed the deal finished. When then, my husband took the sales slip from the clerk, and scrutinized like a detective and in a demanding tone, wanted to know, (from the caught off guard) clerk: “Just what was the store’s return policy and what exactly each line of small print on the sales receipt meant. I was mortified, as this department store was renown for its no hassle exchange policy. The incident did not end there. At home he bought up his discontent allover again. The gift selected might somehow be potentially distressing to his mother, and how I had pressured him into the purchase. How much it cost–and also how inadequately the clerk had explained the return policy and also that the store’s receipt text was not binding and specific enough to be legally binding. Then, he started getting personal, (at least I felt so) Saying, he had noticed I never checked the totals or asked about any of the conditions of sale. While that was true, it was the same as him calling me stupid and hidden in this exchange was the shattering my image of him as a guy devoted to his mother and me. I flushed with angry and partly agreed with him (I am good at parting agreeing, when I don’t really agree.) –that most of what he said was true, but that he was over reacting. I was at this point getting really hot and distressed, Telling him-’ You are saying that I have to put every clerk through a third degree interrogation, every purchase I make?’. He began excusing himself that this scene was do to his superior knowledge and awareness of shoddy business practices and that he was not being derogatory at all. That night our home was a cold lonely place for each in silence trying to find balance before tomorrow’s dawn.
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November 1, 2009

Strange lonely dream: “Shoes lost to the bay mud. Isolation, Counterfeit Cool Guy, Anxiety Dependency.

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Strange lonely dream: “Shoes lost to the bay mud. Isolation, Counterfeit Cool Guy, Anxiety Dependency.

The Dream:

I am in a flat tidal place with dykes making off distant watery sections with reeds, and inhabited by gulls, ducks and cranes. A place totally unlike my home, mountain region. I had seen a place somewhat similar riding in a car that passed along the highway that cuts across the South San Francisco Bay from a northeast San Jose to Cupertino on my way to the Apple Computer Center.

I am walking out away from any visible road or people. I have a sensation of pleasant comfort with being there. As I walk further out, I notice it is getting muddier and my feet are sinking into the wet ground as I get closer to the bird sanctuary.

I realize I have on street shoes and that they are starting to stick in the mud and I become anxious that I will lose them in the mud. I look for a dryer path or some debris to walk on, I find none. I smile and try to discard any thoughts of sinking deeper.

I think of the people at work and if only they could see my dumb predicament now.

I seem to grow anxious as the tide is rising and if I do not get free and head for high ground, I will have even a more serious problem.

I decide that my not losing my shoes in the mud is no longer a priority and head aggressively toward high ground. As I do, my now bare feet feel hard metallic things and wires under the wet surface. This stuff abrades and cuts my feet, which start to bleed.

I reach down and pull some of these pieces out of the mud. Most are rotted parts of very old computer and phone equipment. I toss them back and make a dash in near panic to the top of an earthen dyke, where I am safe, but the gravel top, hurts sharply ever step I take to get back to safety. I find some old discarded clothes or rags on the way and wrap my feet, this helps a lot and as I move on, I begin to worry about the feet getting infected from the dirty old rags.

I see this on the surface as references to my self-analysis efforts. Which I see most the time as comfortable and pleasant. I recognize I have to move out from some comfortable and secure things, and reach beyond to both the natural things-the tidal recurring world and equally to my inner world. I often am aware that I feel isolated from others and strive to hide it from both myself and others by overcompensating by taking the initiative in encouraging them to start new input and then nudge them toward make suggestions that are going to support my already decided agenda. This is manipulative and after using such ploys, I feel guilty.

The limited security gained for the wild life may represent the various pains and risks, in living. In addition, where (as in the dream) one solution may force you to cross and deal with even more painful things before you get back on the path. The dyke symbol pointing to controlling barriers, a planned resistance to time and tide and also safety, at a painful price to cut bleeding feet. The comfort provided by the rags also carry the danger of infection. This last symbolization, the fear of infection leads to associations that my self-analysis threatens to reveal deeper conflicts with a larger neurotic core than I had ever believed possible.

I think a deeper interpretation would be, that in my personal life, I have major, advance and retreat strategies those work great for me on the surface But they also block real closeness, and authentic self-fulfillment in my personal life. These are my compulsive repetitious, my, fall back positions. The are automatically triggered whenever I let my self get too personally involved.

I think in the dream I hoped for someone to help me, but it was clear I had to make the effort on my own.

Being known a cool person is not as cool as it would seems.

I believe that under the surface I have a distrust or others, particularly, those others significant to me. I expect to get hurt and begin to feel a kind of anxiety whenever I find I am growing dependent in my love life. I feel some guilt about this and struggle against revealing it. I know (on later reflection), it is caused more by what is in me than anything about them. I have always tied to make a virtue out of my avoiding dependency but I am being to see, it also served to hide a deep-set distrust of others.

My Outreach:

If you care to point out what you think my dream mean and/or what I am missing, please do so. At this site where systematic self-analysis is encouraged, You,-everyone of you, are my personal analysts, amateur or professional, it is your input and encouragement that keeps me maintaining regular sessions, and my reaching for depth level free association. At times, I check my productive content and progress against, Psychoanalyst, Karen Horney’s list of ten neurotic needs. I confess I don’t always do this list checking as often as I should. However, when I do, I feel it keeps me from over-focusing on one thing while ignoring other less obvious things. I printed it out and keep it in my dream book. You don’t have to memorize the list, just recognize these needs and related conflicts, when you run into them. It’s a mini-psychology course in itself.

You can review it– [Here#1]

You can also review exactly what is true, “Free Association”– [Here#2]

Also I am reading “Ego Development” at the “Szondi Test Study Group” It is giving me a better opinion of The Szondi Test and Freudian theory than my Cybernetics indoctrination would have ever have permitted–[Here#3]

To reach me: send e-mail to fateanalysisguy@gmail.com Be sure to put “Bay Mud Dream” or “Mountain Software writer” in the subject bar. This is because all mail for fateanalysis.com goes to the site’s Editor first, before being dropped in  any of the several participant’s private boxes.

flash card: revisionist psychology.
In a systematic self-analysis, one also must be open to discovery and as well, some unpleasantness to follow from this crossing of old and new content. Content often containing childhood history, present conflicts and importantly the dissonance of that comes from what you are and what you wish to be.
Don’t try to remember this. It will stick in your mind relative to what it means to you.

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