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August 17, 2008

 towards others. away from others. against others. against self.

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The ‘neurotic needs’ are classified into three broad categories based on how one relates “oneself to others”.

Dr. Horney sets the term ‘Neurotic’ on a continuum of degrees of those found in almost everyone, the more or less normal, thorough various transitions of degree to those unquestionably neurotic.

Therefore, some caution should be used in calling all minor maladjustment and symptoms ‘neurotic’ even if they have a common cause or relation.

The term neurosis or neurotic is used without this being a value judgment.

In our assessment of the purpose and technique Of Self-Analysis this takes on a similar meaning when applied to differs from work with a therapist, in that it does not have a sharply defined focus, or even a goal of a particular symptom change or any limitation of time.
This does not mean it has no goals or purpose, only it shifts the obligation of exploring your whole personality to reveal a broader goals, those of changing your core self, in order to build a better life. This can be combined with those other theapies that do not demand overiding your present beilf system with a ready made one that must be totally accepted. That works for some but is not self-analysis.

The purpose in self-analysis is to open the way to self-understanding. Take Willful control and change those aspects of your self indentifiable as neurotic, and self defeating or ones that put you in conflict with others your family or society. It is intended to be used by your self to explain yourself and to offer a way to come to grips with whatever your conlicts or problelms appear to to connect to. IN offering this open view point it is to be understtod you are the one to carry it out. Others are not able to change you inside and what support they can provide offer is not going remove any neurotic suffering you have woven into your personality.

going offer better or alternative ways to understand life events in respect to how you handle them.

And also extend this better understanding to your personal relations with others. The final step to understand others better is same as the final steo to know yourself. Understanding is always ongoing and changing and not a finished product.

The Core — ‘Basic self-others Directional Need System, ‘Every Human has, at times impulses to move himself in directions that could carry beyond useful coping to meanings ‘Neurotic.’ or reactions over-determined and often carring with it some feature not appripriate or useful.

Core is a function that has the power to move or reset how a person positions or relates oneself to others.

 towards others.

 away from others.

 against others.

 against self.

Each ‘movement event’ has a coping function. They assert in one sequence or another as a person probes for the best fit for the situation. Best fit not always the long-term best selection. As evidenced in repetition of thinking, feelings and behaviors, not in the best interest of the person. The cultivated recognition of what certain events do to the self-other position. This is one of several keys to uncovering and understanding what goes wrong or right in the adaptive, adjusting, coping paths to our actual behaviors. Events potentially leading to a perception of failed therapy. This partly explains and cautions you to the fact just knowing things do not always result in corrected behaviors.
Important is that the practice of the perception such self-other effects can serve as flags to warn you what a particular event or interaction has connected to thing ‘neurotic’ in us, wither we care to admit it or not. Detecting these ‘movement powers’ within own selves will only happen if one looks for them. Logically they are part of the minimal theoretic you need to analyze yourself. In a therapist conducted analysis this responsibility is shifted to the therapist, who job is to help you find and connects such things and then by his own method, and terms offer insight, new scripts, re-learning as to be of benefit for you. What he calls these equivalents it is not the point, it that recognition demands changes. Changes meet with resistances. Any significant resistance, invariability connects to or crosses over into or controls, the some aspect of the self-other core nature, to others, from others, against self,
There is no quick and easy way to identify these. They of course become recognizable when they recur over time show intensity or self-destructive results. Why an over time systematic self-analysis (just as in a therapist conducted one) by their recurrence , their compulsive, inhibiting powers or acting out.

Often associated with the shifting of self-other positioning shifting negatively are aware feelings, that something undesired, painful (in the psychological sense) vaguely discomfort, uneasiness, irritation, distrust. Most also carry some of feeling of hostility to others, to self, in some cases both alternating rapidly. This is not a command for you to have such feelings, it is as guide for you to recognize them when you see them.

does to us in those event we precieve as neurotic in ourselves

Such functional events are only called ‘neurotic’ when they move a person to dysfunctional or maladaptive modes of relationship with others. Which then are such that internalization then causes an overshooting of its purpose, failed satisfaction or self-security goals. As copeing mecanisms fail as or cause distorted relationships to others. As Anxiety appears and increases it enters awarenenss by causing mood change, hostility or as last resort primitive fight or flight reactions.

1] toward others.

These ‘toward others’ as a neurotic determined need, are those that cause an individuals to excessively seek affirmation and acceptance from others and are motivators behind dependant clinging. As a function, it seeks out the finding f approval and love. Human relations normal and human relations ‘neurotic’ revolve about satisfying this need and the avoiding the unpleasant results when it fails.

2.] away from others

Needs neurotic set, that move you away from others.

These neurotic needs carry narcissistic connections and reactions to the hopeless, loveless and empty object world. Hostility and antisocial behavior are justified emotionally.

These individuals are described as cold, indifferent, aloof, and express criticism and hostility easily.

3.] against others

Needs neurotic set that move you against others.

These neurotic needs (or drives) result in basic hostility asserting in a ready to fight back mode. They often have a low threshold for frustration. The mode of hostility and the need to control other people move together. These individuals are described as difficult, domineering, and unkind. This is as if the individual is living out in the present the infantile core of Basic Hostility and now finds in the adult life opportunities to express anger and hostility. Some maintain a surface, logical and polished and can justify any excesses glibly.

4.] → against self

Self sabotage, self defeating, self hatred are all common human trends, that most would argree are Neurotic. A person often from family tradition and cultural pressue deny any such things being in himself, frequently an analysis even a superficial one will bring such things into the analytic content as it proceeds, and must be deal with just as honestly as any other content. Sometimes such denied or rejected content will intrude into ones dreams. Such dreams often seem crazy and meaningless at first attempts at relating to them leads to nowhere. For this reason, it is useful to write dreams down and associate to the dream content much later, weeks or months when something related content or new dreams brings them to mind and offers new meaning.

Well-adjusted individuals have balanced need and movement power settings.

Well-adjusted individuals mix balanced, the others/self relations, causing little anxiety, is effective for coping. Under sufficient stress, the coping process may fail and replacement modes of coping are more primitive, automatic and defensive then assert.

Well-adjusted individuals, thus not mind sick or severely neurotic, utilize all three of these strategies, but can correctly shift focus as to where and how to relate themselves, depending on what they perceive to be the actual situation, thus correctly.

What then makes these inclinations or coping strategies neurotic?

According to Horney, it is the overuse of one or more of these self-others interpersonal modes. Neurotic people tend to utilize excessively two or more of these ways of coping, at the same time that reinforces or exaggerates results, as to end up in creating conflict, turmoil, and confusion.

And at the same time producing certain behavioral dysfunctions, symptoms or acting out behaviors. Which are also the things that motivate persons to seek help.

August 13, 2008

CONSIDERATIONS

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A Person Considering a Self-Analysis,

…..has to do some preparation and has to get comfortable with the

psychological tools needed to do so.

One will need to have a number of terms to to have an orientation of what

goes on in his own Psyche and which connect to the process. The most

well know of such terns are those of Freud. Who saw the mind as three

parts, Ego, Id and Super-Ego, or restated in modern terms; the

cognitive aware self, the largely unconscious instincts and a

constrains function, partly conscious, partly unconscious. Of the

instinctive Id, the sexual instinct and its modifications was

emphasized and dominated his thinking about cause of neurosis. Neurosis

being all most anything with an obvious medical cause, and assignable

to hysteria the catch all term that evolved into neurosis and

psychoneuroses and psycho-somatic and other terms that populate, the

DSM IV terms of today.

These are “Basic” things he will needed later as some points to refer

to and provide an orientation about the process and some measure of his

progress in his self exploration. At first it may seem there are too

many things ‘basic’ but on a longer acquaintance it point to essentials

without using a long list or everything that can be called neurotic or

maladjustment making. Here you will be expected to make your own list

of your trends neurotic as you uncover them.

The terms suggested may not be in every respect be technically correct,

as used by professionals but should be adequate for the task of

self-exploration in its practical application..

You will be expect to identify unwanted ‘trends’ in yourself as they

show themselves in acts, thinking or feelings that are compulsive,

recur with some regularity and result in misdirect efforts. failed

relationships or case on to remain stuck in a fate unwanted or

undesirable. FATE-ANALYSIS HAS AS IT GOAL the uncovering of neurotic

trends, and THEN of the person own choice, making a proper correction

and taking responsibility for his modification of that fate. This may

or may not be easy or quick. It depends on a chained series of events.

native strength of your drives and how they shaped your inner self and

how they now position you in relation to others, your loves, your work,

the social world and how you really see it and react to it. That this

is more complicated and difficult than you expected is not a good

reason to refuse to learn the process. The process then can become part

of you, and at your command from then on as to automatically the

correct path without having to be subservient to some necrotic

intra-psychic force.

Neurotic means in our use. aspects of the self traceable to, or having

something to do with a person’s psychological life, not organic

medical, but functional and compulsively disturbing adjustment.

Importantly one has to find his own neurotic components. Any of which

may exist on a continuum from normal to various function disturbing or

severe levels. This takes time and effort.

( We leave diagnosis and terms of diagnosis to licensed professional,

As here used these terms are not intended to be any kind of diagnosis.)

We seek to set you to the task of finding your own trends, looking to

uncover the effects of them (far more important than giving them any

kind of universal name- many names will suggest themselves, but what

they mean in your life is what counts.) The ‘Basic’ terms are to assist

you in this process.

Basic Anxiety

This is anxiety as an inner signal or alarm that automatically sets

certain reactions in motions. It may work alarmingly with not every one

having manifest anxiety. Those that have an actual anxiety neurosis

also have basic anxiety as is if in a flood, and out of range of

anything one would cease to call normal. This also is on a continuum of

normal to a near total disruption of some functional aspects.

Most people healthy or neurotic are far greater under the influence of

their Basic Anxiety than they are aware of. This concept is almost

essential to explaining most inhibitions and/or compulsions.

o Just pointing this out to a person does not change it. Authentic

depth level requires it’s origin and complexities be understood, and

ultimately to over come the resistance to change that is associated

with it.

Basic Hostility, is-

interwoven from infancy is an innate hostility power that begins with

lashing out against privation and frustrations. At first only vaguely

separated as internal or external. Later this becomes directed external

and at other times against the self. Very early the child seeks to find

some security and relief from the external

Basic Security/Safety /is the-

earliest coping self-preservation mechanism.

All these articulations also sets the developing infant and developing

child’s early object relations recognizable later in behaviors that

incline the person toward or away from certain significant persons and

things that represent some connections with that person or similar

persons. With various modifications these reactions are carried into

later life. At the same time SAFETY AND SECURITY IS (AS emotionally

EXPERIENCED BY THE CHILD.) which leaves residues, associations, or

habits that are of particular importance in the development of object

relation trends in adult life. These very early events also form the

child’s first coping mechanisms. Much of adult problem are in this view

traceable back to these early and deeply set events and are

recognizable in later life by their compulsive and /or inhibitory

nature. Many such formative events are too early and too vague to

remember, their effects in theory fundamental to the forming the

personality type and the later neurotic trends and symptoms.

There are in each person several possible personality types and

multiple traits, preferences and strivings each of which may be on some

theoretical continuum from normal to near neurotic or clearly neurotic.

While this needs to be understood in a general sense for practicing

self-analysis is not productive to enter the potential quagmire of

diagnostics, endless named conditions and multiple theoretic and

theoreticians that belongs to each.

Here one seeks just enough theory as to be a practical guide for the

self analysis it even if it seems repetitions we will repeat depth

level self-analysis.

Desired is a means to open new insight starting with your own neurotic

trends, as you find them and seek to understand them and and profit

from the effort.

It is not even to important how you name these trends as some part of

you knows what you mean in your life. As you proceed additional

material will place things in perspective and in context and as what it

means in your life.

When it come to deciding to begin a systematic depth level

self-analysis, Karen Horney is our primary authority although others

covers the same development ground they do not offer a selection of

terms simple enough as to be transferable to a ordinary person who

would conduct an analysis of himself.

Those entering here that have established allegiances to-

other psychological systems may balk at this effort with some

justification. They are free to use their own inventory of concepts if

they chose to self-analysis. Each person can chose for himself the

level of self analysis they follow. In this Fateanalysis based site

seeks to provide opportunities and suggested procedures that aim to

increase your insights into yourself, rather than an effort to offer a

complete theory of psychology.

It is to the free association process, and then to dream analysis-

you are urged to try as as the key self-exploration method. it is of

course your choice and you may be more comfortable with inventories or

their tests as places to start. The Jung Word association test, the

Myers/Briggs and Keirsey Temperament Sorter are on links on his site or

on our links. These fall short of being an attempt at conducting a

effort at a depth level self-analysis.

August 3, 2008

Where do I start?

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–O.K. I read your challenge

“Where do I begin?…I am a software writer, I expect to find things organized 1.-2.-3….”

“..I looked on the Blogroll sidebar, found some relevant links mixed in with some very old history- Links on free-association,-Jung Word association-Szondi Test-Dreams as royal road-What is fateanalysis?

Am I on track here? Is there an order one should follow?

Why does what you present seem so outdated?

Answers,

In reverse order:

True, much appears outdated because is a leap backward in both time and practices. To Freud and Psychoanalysis, Szondi and his Gene theory, his projective test, The Szondi Test, his brilliant student, Susan Deri who saw what Szondi missed. Then I reach to proto-feminist psychoanalyst of the 1930’s-40’s, Karen Horney, for why and how you should conduct a no-nonsense psychoanalysis of your self, needing only a minimal character map. One that listed less than a dozen needs you could expect to recognize when and if you encounter them as you proceed to self-analyze.

Your digging around was effective, at this time the number of links are few and the less relevant ones take you to sites I find of interest, and as well a few photo-vignettes from my personal life, which I prefer to share without revealing too much personal. Keep in mind there is an ‘about’ link and a ‘disclaimer’ link that covers public persona and real world connected questions.

My avatar is called “Chirobut”

My E-Mail is fateanalysisguy@gmail.com

July 17, 2008

The Test Genetic of Szondi

THE GENE ANCESTORS

Here is the link to the Szondi Test at a French Site. Here the photos of persons representing the eight psychiatric conditions are all here. The photo quality is very poor, all made before 1937 and some from other researchers  taken befor 1902. The actual test photos are on 2 x 3″ cards and while low tech are clear enough to be usable. They are in a test set under copyright, Hans Huber, Swiss.

The ‘reading’ you receive here is simplistic and the machine translation kinky. While fun, do not judge the test from what you see and get back from  here. It has far greater depth psychology potential when one is sequentially tested, with the actual test ensemble, which is done  usually on ten different days and the psychogram interpreted correctly and in context by a professional. [I or this site  does not claim this kind of professional expertise-read disclaimer] One can can make his own grid by printing out the page and circuling the two he likes the best and ‘x’ing the one he likes the least the two he like the least for each of the six series sections and by numbering the photos Series and then  photo number ‘1 to 8′ to identify which exact photos are the ones of which psychiatric condition the visage photo represents. This is because you do not have the code that is one the back of each photo.  E-mail the results to fateanalysisguy@gmaii.com , with your gender, age and occupation and I at no charge or obligation  will (if I have time and space, this is not a commercial venture) to publicly then post, a unscientific limited, but hopefully pleasant ‘reading’ as to your ‘drive potentials’ the day you took the test. Note on other days if tested results may be different due to moods, stresses etc. This is only for the purpose of stimulating your curiosity and to introduce you to the psychological teachings of Leopold Szondi. Which are of renewed interest as gene theory is now a major study with gene mapping, DNA research under way that also involves human and animal behavior potentials.


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WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO SELF-ANALYZE?

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Why would one want to undertake a self-analysis?

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–One conducted then with the obvious disadvantage of not being under the management of the skilled professional?
Some  reasons might be– Costs (Money, time, privacy and emotional)
Always available.
You really do so already, ( as limited as it may be.)
You have ‘black’ secrets, (perverse, embarrassing, or criminal).
Some fear close relation with others.
Fear of being exploited or seduced sexually by therapists.
Distrust of or anxiety about the criticism or hostility from others and any authority types in particular.
Bad or failed therapy experience attempts in the past.
Previous therapy ended too soon or never got to root causes.
Freud and others did it– Freud did his own, self-analysis using free association and dream analysis.
Karen Horney M.D. –an experienced analyst and trainer of other psychoanalysts, published 1942 her book one Self-Analysis which was widely distributed went  through several editions. She presented  a practical, no nonsense, method for self-analysis that contained just enough theory and examples of how psychoanalysis worked as to be
a  guide for  a person to work on himself.

She pointed out that dedication to the process was in the long run what yielded results, rather than any special skill or intelligence level.
Also without the assistance of an experienced therapist it  is predictable that a self-analysis would be a slower process and some connections may be missed. Also that one has to come down to earth as to what he expects to accomplish by the process.

Still you the less neurotic you are-the better it  is – That a person who is driven by unconscious forces that are distorting, self defeating and as such makes that life less than enjoyable for himself and others who share his life relationships. To say nothing the neurotic connections that underlay many medical events functional in nature and not medical organic that could be minimized when the are correctly understood.

July 3, 2008

[read] fateanalysis is referent to Szondi Theory and the Szondi Test and some other almost forgotten things.

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As you look at these photos you will, like or dislike them, based on your unconscious projection. The exposure to them then is a reflection of how you feel and what aspects of your personality are dynamic structured at the time of testing.

Of course you need to whole special 48 photo ensemble of these pictures to make a useful appraisal and the test grows more accurate when samples are made each day or every other day. A set of ten test sessions generally being recommenced.

Also there is a second pass testing procedure, using the left over photos, (they are on little cards), can permit new, like and dislike choices that can provide information about even deeper aspects of psychological needs and drives.

Generally depreciated today, THE SZONDI TEST, is still used in Europe and South America. Those who use the test are strongly loyal to its use. Both for finding the focus of analysis and in monitoring the progress of their client’s progress in therapy.

THE SZONDI TEST AT A BELGIUM SITE WHERE YOU CAN LINK- is located two posts above AND–

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